Showing posts with label L. Romano Rifle Co.. Show all posts
Showing posts with label L. Romano Rifle Co.. Show all posts

Sunday, January 8, 2012

The Romano Spencer

The North-South Skirmish Association (N-SSA) was formed in 1950 to commemorate the heroism of the men, of both sides, who fought in the American Civil War, 1861-1865. The N-SSA promotes the shooting of Civil War firearms and artillery and encourages the preservation and display of Civil War materials. The N-SSA works to accomplish these goals by conducting skirmishes; competitive, live firing of these Civil War firearms and artillery. 

If you go to the N-SSA's web site and look up on their official list of allowable weapons and under repeaters you will see that for the M1860 Spencer Rifle and Carbine that only two manufactures are allowed. Originals made over 145 years ago by Spencer Repeating Arms, Inc. and reproductions made by L. Romano Rifle Co.

Larry Romano, owner of L. Romano Rifle Co. makes the finest 1860 Spencer reproduction bar none.  In 1998 I contacted him to order a 100% to the original 1860 Spencer carbine. At the time it was 2900 dollars. I paid $500 down and paid $500 every three months until it was paid off. It took Larry 1 year to complete the carbine. I got it in the spring of 1999.
I wanted a Spencer very badly and figured that buying an original had be even more expensive because, hey it would be an original I wanted – how many can be left?  And those left must be in museums, right? 

Well I got the weapon and after a few weeks of loading 56-50 from cut down 50-70 brass using with a set of dies purchased from Larry, I was ready to go to the range.
I went to a local range and set up next to old Buck who was the local expert in black powder weapons and how to load and care for them, so needless to say I was please he was there that day so I could show off my Romano Spencer

Well I set up and started shoot. Sure enough old Buck came over to my lane and asked if he could see my Spencer. He looked it over and made nice noises of appreciation for it. He noticed Larry's proof marks and asked me how much I paid. I told him $2900 and he just shook his head and said – "I'd have sold you my original for $1500. Bet you wished you'd never bought that one now.". Well it ends up you can get originals out there even today. I was a bit mad, but I figured live and learn. 

Well I've shot that Romano for the last 13 years and about 5000 rounds. It shoots flawlessly, is a tack driver, is smoother than silk and made like a 29 jewel Swiss watch.  I haven't had a lick of trouble from it in 13 years.  The best thing of all?  At a local competition I beat old Buck and his original Spencer. 

So back to Old Buck's question "Bet you wished you'd never bought that." - Wish I'd never bought my Romano Spencer ? Hell no! Its been the best damn buy I ever made!

L. Romano Rifle Co. not only makes Spencers, but makes fine Maynards, Keen and Walkers and from what I hear on the grapevine, a J.H. Tarpley reproduction as well.  Has great gear and accessories as well.
Maynard
Keen and Walker
Check L. Romano Rifle Co. out.  It will be worth the look.

Saturday, January 7, 2012

56-50 Armi Sport Spencer Loads.

DISCLAIMER: I offer this for your information ONLY. Follow all the established rules for safely shooting any weapon. If you decide to follow these directions you are taking full responsibility for any accidents or injury that may result from improper use or action. Shooting live ammunition is dangerous. Make sure to inspect all brass for imperfections before you reload it and take care to measure powder charges with care and accuracy. Guns are deadly so take all precautions when shooting.

Over the last 6 months I've been working on a good Smokeless and Black Powder load for the Armi Sport Spencer. I'm using a 350Gr Flat point Bullet (RCBS-82309) that I bought from Montana Bullet Works. Its a great bullet that has a bit of a point. which aids in smooth feeding from the magazine, but is flat enough to be safe in the Spencer.  The Armi Sport Spencer can use smokeless, black powder and black powder substitutes, so we have a lot of options for reloading.

As an aside I'd like to shamelessly plug Montana Bullet Works – great folks and they make a very high quality bullet. If you need lead and don't want to deal with the mess give them a call.  Quality folks all around.

As I said I'm using a 350gr bullet. I've worked with a couple of powders and have found that for smokeless, Trail Boss and Unique work well for me. For black powder or black powder substitute GOEX (a bit difficult to get try Track of the Wolf) and 777 (Triple 7) work great as well. NOTE: Do NOT use smokeless powder in any original Spencer or Spencer reproduction that was designed to use black powder, such as the superb Romano Spencers.  Do not use duplex loads either.  Using smokeless in a weapon designed for Black Powder can result in catastrophic failure and severe injury or death. 

Of the two smokeless powders I prefer Trail boss, it shoots very gently and gives good accuracy. Unique has a bit of a kick but also has good accuracy. I'm not sure of the lube used by Montana Bullet Works, but it seems to perform well.

For the black powder and 777 black powder substitute I find both are equivalent in my Armi Sport Spencer. The lube used with black powder was SPG. I removed the smokeless lube (laboriously I might add) and lubed the bullets with SPG myself.

Powder
Charge
Lube
Trail Boss (smokeless)
9gr by weight
unknown
Unique (smokeless)
8gr by weight
unknown
Triple 7 (777) (BP Substitute)   
30gr by volume
SPG
GOEX (Black Powder)
30gr by volume
SPG

This information comes from my experiments of reloading for the Armi Sport Spencer.  A another great source for Spencer load information, and for that matter Spencer information outside that purview of this blog please see The CasCity Spencer Forum, run by my good friend Two Flints.  Its a great place for info on a wide variety of guns, not just Spencers. 

I hope this information is of use for you in figuring a load that work best for you Armi Sport Spencer.